Listen to an audio interview with Susan McMenamin, manager of the Maple Avenue Gallery in Evanston, Illinois. Since opening in November of 2001, the Maple Avenue art gallery has had two thefts — both bronze sculptures. Susan speaks about how these thefts occurred and what measures the gallery now takes to prevent art crime.
Art Crime Podcast
Here is a transcript of the interview –
Kayla Webley: Is art crime something that is a concern of yours here?
Susan McMenamin: Not art crime – not in the way you think of it where they go in, hold a heist and walk out with a number of paintings. We’ve had two pieces of sculpture stolen here so in a way on a much smaller scale, but we don’t carry Matisses, Cezannes, anything like that so it’s quite different for us.
KW: How did the thefts – the two sculptures – how did that happen?
SM: Oh one happened, and it was a big one too – a heavy bronze piece. There were three people that came in one morning and one distracted me and the other had a big coat that had a lining, it must been a lining that they put that in, and how they walked out with it I don’t know because it was a very heavy piece. But it had to have been something they were coming in specifically to take because they went to it and as I said two of them went there and somebody distracted me. Somebody must have special ordered it I presume.
KW: What do you think the motivation for stealing something like that is? Does it have street value?
SM: I don’t think there is any street value to it, but I have a feeling that someone had come in and maybe seen it and wanted it and didn’t want to pay for it and maybe had some friends who you know this was their sideline of work or something, maybe he paid them $500 or something. But it was a piece of sculpture that cost about $3,000, so it doesn’t seem to me that it would be worthwhile for someone to come in and take something like that.
KW: Do you take any preventative measures against art theft?
SM: Well, we’ve got some hidden cameras in here and I try to be observant but our paintings most of them are big enough that it would be way too obvious if someone tried to walk out with one of those. The sculpture some of them now I have almost glued down on the sculpture stands. But other than that you can’t do too much. We don’t buzz people in and out because we want to be a little friendlier gallery than that.
KW: Are the works that you show here insured?
SM: They’re insured by the gallery because most of our pieces here are on consignment and that’s part of what the gallery is responsible for.
KW: I’ve heard, just this week since the large art theft in Europe, that there is some debate about insurance. If the thieves were to come back and say oh they want some sort of payoff, if the insurance companies should pay them to get the art back or if that might encourage future theft? Have you heard anything about that?
SM: Personally I think they probably would pay something to get it back and then hopefully they can mark the money and trace it. You hate to deal with criminals but in a case like that, a situation like that; I think it would probably be the thing to do.
KW: When you had the sculpture stolen here did you hear anything or it was just gone?
SM: It was just gone. The police came and they looked at our videos but there’s not too much you can do about it. It’s gone.
KW: They couldn’t identify anyone from the video?
SM: Unfortunately, no. So we got a few better cameras than that. But at that time they just couldn’t see anything, and as I said, the value isn’t enough to warrant a lot of policemen to go out looking for it.
KW: Right. You said it was $3,000 or so?
SM: Right. So our insurance did cover that.